Stand Up For Arizona Ohio

[1steeler1]

CNN asked a the question why so many people are angry over illegal immigration.

Could it be that the legal Americans are having to pay for these people who somehow get welfare, healthcare, not pay taxes to name a few. Not to mention the jobs they are taking from legal Americans. Our citizens have had property damage, thefts and killings done by illegal immigrants. Look at it this way, if they are breaking the law by coming into this nation illegally and know if that if they commit a crime that most likely their punishment will be that they are deported back to Mexico, doesn't that make it easier to do another crime?

I understand that these people want a better way of life and most do not come with the intention to commit crime. I understand these people want to escape the drug cartels and the crooked Government. I don't blame them for wanting to move here, but the there is a right way and a wrong way to enter this nation. The right way is better for the immigrants as well as the citizens.

Immigrants have been coming to America since her conception as a nation. This country has been called the melting pot of the world. So come on Ohio, we need to stand with Arizona and insure that immigration does not put undo stress on the immigrant or the citizens of this great nation. DO THE RIGHT THING.

Illegal immigration is a big problem in this country and the vast majority comes from Mexico. It is not to hard to figure out why when you hear about the leaders who are corrupt and often times those who were not are killed by drug cartels. So it is no wonder why these people want to leave their homeland.

So what is the solution? Shouldn't we be doing something to help this nation so these people don't have to leave their homeland? I am not sure what we can do without the use of force on this country and that is not going to happen. So why not offer Mexico a chance to be a state of the United States. I believe that this may be the Mexican people's only real hope. I don't know if the U.S. has ever offered this to Mexico, but I think it should be something that should be discussed.

[FUBAR-BDHR]

Send them back and send this to politics where it belongs.

[zOOkStEr72]

Originally Posted by FUBAR-BDHR

Send them back and send this to politics where it belongs.

I don't see where this is a political post at all. It's a news story, with an opinion about immagration. Lighten up a lil geeze.. you sound like gamutman now

I agree that the illegals should be sent back. Not just back to where they came from. But ship them to a country further away. That way it's a longer walk for them the next time they try it again. The ones that do get deported, just make their way back into the States.

I do support any immagrant who does it legally. They need to be examples, or spoke-persons to the ones who enter illegaly. Like what all is involved, where to go, etc. Something has to happen to encourage them to do it legally.

[Undead]

Interesting opinions from a city that was built on immigrant labor, legal and otherwise.


You people don't even know the history of your own area.


"Illegal" immigrants were imported here by the millions as a cheap labor source for big mining, steel and clay pipe factories at the turn of the last century. They took the jobs Americans didn't want or were too dangerous to do. Being poor and uneducated, none of them spoke English, and many were totally exploited into virtual slave labor.


All a person had to do to become a "legal" citizen was take a boat across the ocean and walk into the country. They were hated by the "naturalized" citizens, who themselves were the result of what you could safety call "Illegal immigration."


There are an awful lot of T-Towners who trace their ancestors back to these European and Eastern European people who were looked down upon. Eventually their ancestors learned to speak the language and become assimilated into the culture, eventually to become, well...YOU.


There is a better way than just throwing them out, which isn't going to work anyway. Bring them into the system, let them have worker immigration cards and pay taxes. It's entirely possible to do, and humanely as well.

"Throw them out" might seem a simple, appealing way, but I don't think you people understand how that is impossible. It's expensive and will hurt an awful lot of businesses that rely on this type of labor.

[1steeler1]

Originally Posted by Undead

Interesting opinions from a city that was built on immigrant labor, legal and otherwise.


You people don't even know the history of your own area.


"Illegal" immigrants were imported here by the millions as a cheap labor source for big mining, steel and clay pipe factories at the turn of the last century. They took the jobs Americans didn't want or were too dangerous to do. Being poor and uneducated, none of them spoke English, and many were totally exploited into virtual slave labor.


All a person had to do to become a "legal" citizen was take a boat across the ocean and walk into the country. They were hated by the "naturalized" citizens, who themselves were the result of what you could safety call "Illegal immigration."


There are an awful lot of T-Towners who trace their ancestors back to these European and Eastern European people who were looked down upon. Eventually their ancestors learned to speak the language and become assimilated into the culture, eventually to become, well...YOU.


There is a better way than just throwing them out, which isn't going to work anyway. Bring them into the system, let them have worker immigration cards and pay taxes. It's entirely possible to do, and humanely as well.

"Throw them out" might seem a simple, appealing way, but I don't think you people understand how that is impossible. It's expensive and will hurt an awful lot of businesses that rely on this type of labor.

Granted, there has been many people who have entered this nation illegally. Usually by paying this guy off or knowing someone who has influence was how it occured, but that can not be compared to the influx of illegals we have entering this nation from Mexico illegally today.

Illegals did come into this nation, but you should consider that the time when there was a vast outpouring into this nation by illegals was during the world wars. Most of them were trying to escape the war or persecution of some kind. Today, there is many Jews trying to flee Russia because of persecution.

You try to make it that it is okay to enter this nation illegally, but it is not. That is what is sad about the liberals. The one thing you should remember about back then and today is that there was allot less people back when you are talking compared to today. How many people are we going to let come here before we say enough is enough?

The problems this is causing is not only putting a strain on states trying to combat the problem with the increase in crime along with having to support them, the financial strain on the legal citizens is too much to bear.

You ask to to the right thing by leaving them in this nation so I assume you have a place for a family of Mexicans to stay and you are willing to support them. Wait, you already are supporting them just as all american citizens are.

I think what needs to be done is the border needs to be controlled to stop the illegals from entering this nation. Then discuss the situation of those here illegally today. The criminals must be sent back. Those who have children are another question. Those who are alone is a different story. There is a vast multitude who come here, work for a time and then return to Mexico where their family resides. This needs to stop.

I agree that the main problem to why we have illegals flocking to this nation is because we have businesses willing to hire them. The businesses should be persecuted by the law. If legal action was taken against these businesses, they would stop hiring illegals. If illegals cannot get a job, most likely they will stop coming to this country ILLEGALLY.

[1steeler1]

Originally Posted by zOOkStEr72

I don't see where this is a political post at all. It's a news story, with an opinion about immagration. Lighten up a lil geeze.. you sound like gamutman now

I agree that the illegals should be sent back. Not just back to where they came from. But ship them to a country further away. That way it's a longer walk for them the next time they try it again. The ones that do get deported, just make their way back into the States.

I do support any immagrant who does it legally. They need to be examples, or spoke-persons to the ones who enter illegaly. Like what all is involved, where to go, etc. Something has to happen to encourage them to do it legally.

I got a chuckle about your comment to ship illegals futher away so it takes them longer to walk back. Funny.

I am with you. There is a right way and wrong to enter this nation. All we, the citizens of the United States ask is that they enter this nation the right way, the legal way.

[MRou03]

Great points, Jazz. I for one wish I could have been in AZ protesting yesterday.

[sidedoor]

Originally Posted by Undead

Interesting opinions from a city that was built on immigrant labor, legal and otherwise.


You people don't even know the history of your own area.


"Illegal" immigrants were imported here by the millions as a cheap labor source for big mining, steel and clay pipe factories at the turn of the last century. They took the jobs Americans didn't want or were too dangerous to do. Being poor and uneducated, none of them spoke English, and many were totally exploited into virtual slave labor.


All a person had to do to become a "legal" citizen was take a boat across the ocean and walk into the country. They were hated by the "naturalized" citizens, who themselves were the result of what you could safety call "Illegal immigration."


There are an awful lot of T-Towners who trace their ancestors back to these European and Eastern European people who were looked down upon. Eventually their ancestors learned to speak the language and become assimilated into the culture, eventually to become, well...YOU.


There is a better way than just throwing them out, which isn't going to work anyway. Bring them into the system, let them have worker immigration cards and pay taxes. It's entirely possible to do, and humanely as well.

"Throw them out" might seem a simple, appealing way, but I don't think you people understand how that is impossible. It's expensive and will hurt an awful lot of businesses that rely on this type of labor.

Should we bring these guys into the system? They don't resemble any of my ancestor. How about yours?

$1.7B worth of pot seized in Central Calif sweep



By GARANCE BURKE Associated Press Writer © 2010 The Associated Press

July 29, 2010, 3:51PM

FRESNO, Calif. — Nearly 100 people have been arrested in an ongoing sweep of marijuana-growing operations that has netted more than $1.7 billion worth of pot in California's Sierra Nevada range, federal and state agents said Thursday.
Fresno County Sheriff Margaret Mims said several Mexican drug cartels were involved in the grow operations and that most of the 97 people arrested are Mexican nationals. Agents were combing tracts of public land in the remote stretches of Fresno, Madera and Tulare counties.
"Tremendous devastation has been done and continues to be done by these industrial-sized grows," said Gil Kerlikowske, who directs the White House's Office of National Drug Control Policy and was in Fresno on Thursday to support the raid. "I think when people see what these marijuana grows do to their land, it makes a huge difference."
About 450 agents have destroyed more than 432,000 marijuana plants during the three-week sweep, which ends Friday, Kerlikowske said. Still, according to U.S. Drug Enforcement Administration statistics, that accounts for a small percentage of the pot typically seized in California each year.
Eastern District of California U.S. Attorney Benjamin Wagner said federal prosecutors were taking a more aggressive enforcement tack this year and charging those arrested in the bust with everything from criminal immigration offenses to conspiracy to distribute marijuana to depredation to public lands.
Officials would not clarify which Mexican cartels were involved but said more arrests were pending.

[gamutman]

Originally Posted by sidedoor

Should we bring these guys into the system? They don't resemble any of my ancestor. How about yours?

Wow! That's not something a racist would say. Nope. Not at all.

[Undead]

Originally Posted by 1steeler1

Granted, there has been many people who have entered this nation illegally. Usually by paying this guy off or knowing someone who has influence was how it occured, but that can not be compared to the influx of illegals we have entering this nation from Mexico illegally today.

Illegals did come into this nation, but you should consider that the time when there was a vast outpouring into this nation by illegals was during the world wars. Most of them were trying to escape the war or persecution of some kind. Today, there is many Jews trying to flee Russia because of persecution.

You try to make it that it is okay to enter this nation illegally, but it is not. That is what is sad about the liberals. The one thing you should remember about back then and today is that there was allot less people back when you are talking compared to today. How many people are we going to let come here before we say enough is enough?

The problems this is causing is not only putting a strain on states trying to combat the problem with the increase in crime along with having to support them, the financial strain on the legal citizens is too much to bear.

You ask to to the right thing by leaving them in this nation so I assume you have a place for a family of Mexicans to stay and you are willing to support them. Wait, you already are supporting them just as all american citizens are.

I think what needs to be done is the border needs to be controlled to stop the illegals from entering this nation. Then discuss the situation of those here illegally today. The criminals must be sent back. Those who have children are another question. Those who are alone is a different story. There is a vast multitude who come here, work for a time and then return to Mexico where their family resides. This needs to stop.

I agree that the main problem to why we have illegals flocking to this nation is because we have businesses willing to hire them. The businesses should be persecuted by the law. If legal action was taken against these businesses, they would stop hiring illegals. If illegals cannot get a job, most likely they will stop coming to this country ILLEGALLY.

There's never been any debate about whether illegal immigration is a problem. What I'm saying is that you are never going to stop it by taking the attitude of "send them back."


Guess what? They are going to come right back. So, instead of a policy that is doomed to fail why not implement a policy that makes sense and brings the deserving Latinos who come here and work into the system so we aren't paying for all their care.

You see, that's the problem with conservatives, They always think that "getting tough" is going to solve every problem, no matter how many times that method has failed in the past.

You should also know the party of no has a lot to do with the fact there is no federal immigration reform. Several Republican lawmakers who supported an immigration reform bill Bush tried to pass during his reign have now blanched at supporting basically the same exact bill under Obama because their right-wingnut flank won't let them.